{"id":2724,"date":"2026-04-30T12:29:10","date_gmt":"2026-04-30T12:29:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/blog\/?p=2724"},"modified":"2026-04-30T12:29:10","modified_gmt":"2026-04-30T12:29:10","slug":"winemaker-interview-series-julien-howsepian-kosta-browne-feb-2026","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/blog\/?p=2724","title":{"rendered":"Winemaker Interview Series &#8211; Julien Howsepian &#8211; Kosta Browne &#8211; Feb 2026"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/Julien-Howsepian-of-Kosta-Browne-Home.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-2727\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/Julien-Howsepian-of-Kosta-Browne-Home.gif\" alt=\"Julien Howsepian of Kosta Browne \" width=\"250\" height=\"310\" \/><\/a>On Wednesday, February 11, 2026, we interviewed <a href=\"https:\/\/kostabrowne.com\/winemaker\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Julien Howsepian<\/strong><\/a>. Julien is the winemaker at <a href=\"https:\/\/kostabrowne.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne Winery<\/strong><\/a>. We covered nine wines during our visit. We started with a 2023 vintage Chardonnay. Then we tried two AVA focused Pinot Noir from 2023 and followed that up with two single vineyard 2023 Pinot Noirs. We concluded the tasting with a mini-vertical of 2022 and 2023 vintage Pinots from Volnay and Beaune. It was a terrific and very interesting portfolio tasting. In this post, you can learn what we learned about Julien, the history of Kosta Browne and read our reviews of all of these impressive wines.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Before we get to the wines, I thought I would share some tidbits that Julien shared in the interview.<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Tell us a little bit about the Kosta Browne winery history?<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Around 1996 Dan Kosta and Michael Browne worked at a restaurant together.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dan was the manager and Michael was the Sommelier.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">They wanted to enter the wine business.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">So, in 1997 they pooled their tips and saved up $1,100 for \u00bd ton of grapes and $400 for a used barrel. Then they made their first barrel of Pinot Noir.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Progress continued in 1998. They made 2 barrels.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In 1999, they had a go for it mentality. So, they bought some Sauvignon Blanc from Lake County.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">There were multiple rounds of fundraising in the early years.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Michael worked as a cellar rat and winemaker at another winery to gain additional experience.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">During the 2002\/2003 season it was a hot vintage.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">They made a late pick call.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It resulted in very ripe and extracted fruit.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In a moment of very dump luck, this Big Boy styled Pinot was very well received.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The phone rang off the hook and demand was sky high.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Chris Costello (A third partner in the ownership) brought an ingenious structure model to the partnership.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He proposed an allocation model with an option to buy.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This spread out the wine to more customers and created more passionate demand for for the wine.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This led to a waitlist in the early years. You might have to wait three years to receive your first wine.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The 2009 the &#8220;Sonoma Coast&#8221; Pinot Noir earned the #1 spot on the Wine Spectator Top 100 list.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">To date it is the only Pinot to ever hold the top spot on the list.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Julien joined the winery in 2012. He worked with Michael and Dan their last 4 years at the winery. So how did Julien get to the winery and become winemaker?<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Julien was an undeclared major at UC Davis until he met someone in the wine program. He fell in love with it from there.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">His first harvest was at Wente in 2005<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He then spent 4 years as a ski bum in Tahoe.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Fast forward. In 2012 his girlfriend (Now wife) told him that Kosta Browne was hiring interns. He was one of twelve that were hired.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He went from intern to full time.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Working alongside Michael Browne, Julien was rapidly promoted from production assistant to cellar master to assistant winemaker.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In 2019 he became the wineries third winemaker.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/Kosta-Browne-Winery.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-2731\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/Kosta-Browne-Winery.gif\" alt=\"Kosta Browne Winery\" width=\"400\" height=\"273\" \/><\/a>Back to the wineries evolution. <\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In 2013, it was their first year that they had their own winery and things were clicking.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">They had bought half of the Keefer Ranch.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">They entered into a long-term lease for Gap\u2019s Crown fruit.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">2016 was another important year<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">They bought an optical sorter.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is especially important for tougher vintages. It detects size, mold, and raisins and sorts out those grapes not worthy to be included.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">They also expanded into Anderson Valley and the Santa Rita Hills that year.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Eventually they expanded into the Willamette Valley.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">On July 31<sup>st<\/sup>, 2018, they sold the winery to Duckhorn Family.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">All of the California wines we covered are 2023. Tell us about the vintage.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Cool vintage. A lot of fog. Not very warm.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">A tough vintage for Chardonnay.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Harvest was 3 to 4 weeks later in most cases.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1<sup>st<\/sup> Pinot pick was September 19<sup>th<\/sup>. Normally they pick before Labor Day.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The Chardonnay is named &#8220;One Sixteen.&#8221; What does that mean?<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It is named for the highway that runs thru the Russian River Valley<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The grapes for this wine come from some impressive sources including Bootlegger\u2019s, Ritchie, Winners Circle, Keefer Ranch, Zio Tony, and Lone Oak.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">While there is 100% Malo and 100%-barrel fermentation. They prefer to use neutral barrels and to pick early to preserve a fresh and bright wine.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The \u201cSonoma Coast\u201d Pinot Noir.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">They get 1\/3 of the crop from Gap\u2019s Crown via that previously mentioned long term contract.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">35% to 40% of the Sonoma Coast offering is Gaps\u2019 Crown fruit.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">50% to 60% comes from 5 or 6 other vineyards including a lot from Marshall Ranch.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The \u201cRussian River\u201d Pinot Noir is sourced from 10 vineyards.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">One is Keefer Ranch that they own. Treehouse and many others.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">They pick at night, grapes are delivered cold, and then optically sorted.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Keefer Ranch.\u00a0 They originally bought 3 or 4 parcels.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Schramsberg owns the other half of the vineyard.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Gaps&#8217; Crown is traditionally a late ripening site.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Finally, lets talk about this French project.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Around 2015 they started going to Burgundy and they have been inspired ever since.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In 2020, because of the fires, they needed wine.<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">What if they made wine from Burgundy? So thru confidential connections they did.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">So how does this work?<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">They send the wine to the US as bulk. In order for it to be labeled by the region, it has to stay in France 8-10 months to be labeled from there. They prefer to keep it there 14 months.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">How does it get here in bulk?<\/span>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It is shipped in small bladders (Originally an unproven method). It stops the aging.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It arrives in the port of Oakland via temperature controlled containers.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It is then bottled at Kosta Browne so it an carry the Brand name.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">So they are a negotiant in this case.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In 2020 and 2021 they bought already vinified wine. Since then they are involved in the winemaking process.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">2022 was a great vintage. Very approachable wines.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">2023 was a tough year. It was hot and dry and they are not allowed to irrigate there. They were saved by a late season rain.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Volnay and Beaune separated by 1 town about 5 miles apart.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Beaune is like the Russian River Valley of Burgundy.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Below is a summary of the wine offerings from Kosta Browne that we covered with Julien. The links below are to our full reviews. If you are interested in ordering and trying these wines, you will find some of these wines via your favorite fine wine shop or on top quality wines lists. You can also sign up to become a wine list member via this <a href=\"https:\/\/members.kostabrowne.com\/signup\/kens-wine-guide\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Special KWG Kosta Browne sign-up page<\/strong><\/a>. You will even receive immediate access to a Welcome Offering for you to take advantage of!<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/Kosta-Browne-Logo.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2729\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/Kosta-Browne-Logo.gif\" alt=\"Kosta Browne Logo\" width=\"500\" height=\"63\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine_review\/Kosta-Browne-2023-One-Sixteen-Chardonnay\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne 2023 Chardonnay &#8220;One Sixteen&#8221;<\/strong><\/a> (RRV) $90 (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>KWGTP 93<\/strong><\/span>)<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine_review\/Kosta-Browne-2023-Sonoma-Coast-Pinot-Noir\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne 2023 Pinot Noir &#8220;Sonoma Coast&#8221;<\/strong><\/a> $120 (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>KWGTP 93.5<\/strong><\/span>)<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine_review\/Kosta-Browne-2023-Russian-River-Valley-Pinot-Noir\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne 2023 Pinot Noir &#8220;Russian River Valley&#8221;<\/strong><\/a> $120 (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>KWGTP 93.5<\/strong><\/span>)<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine_review\/Kosta-Browne-2023-Keefer-Ranch-Pinot-Noir\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne 2023 Pinot Noir &#8220;Keefer Ranch&#8221;<\/strong><\/a> (Russian River Valley) $175 (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>KWGTP 93.5<\/strong><\/span>)<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine_review\/Kosta-Browne-2023-Gaps-Crown-Vineyard-Pinot-Noir\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne 2023 Pinot Noir &#8220;Gap&#8217;s Crown Vineyard&#8221;<\/strong><\/a> (Sonoma Coast) $175 (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>KWGTP 94.5<\/strong><\/span>)<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine_review\/Kosta-Browne-2023-Volnay-Pinot-Noir\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne 2023 Pinot Noir &#8220;Volnay&#8221;<\/strong><\/a> (Burgundy) $150 (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>KWGTP 93<\/strong><\/span>)<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine_review\/Kosta-Browne-2022-Volnay\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne 2022 Pinot Noir &#8220;Volnay&#8221;<\/strong><\/a> (Burgundy) $150 (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>KWGTP 94<\/strong><\/span>)<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine_review\/Kosta-Browne-2023-Beaune-Premier-Cru-Pinot-Noir\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne 2023 Pinot Noir &#8220;Beaune Premier Cru&#8221;<\/strong><\/a> (Burgundy) $165 (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>KWGTP 94<\/strong><\/span>)<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine_review\/Kosta-Browne-2022-Beaune-Premier-Cru\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne 2022 Pinot Noir &#8220;Beaune Premier Cru\u201d<\/strong><\/a> (Burgundy) $165 (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>KWGTP 95<\/strong><\/span>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Additional Patz &amp; Hall Wines Covered In Other Tastings<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine_review\/Kosta-Browne-2023-Garys-Vineyard-Pinot-Noir\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Kosta Browne 2023 Pinot Noir &#8220;Gary\u2019s Vineyard&#8221;<\/strong><\/a> (Santa Lucia Highlands) $175 (<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>KWGTP 93<\/strong><\/span>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">You can find reviews of past and future Kosta Browne wines that we cover on the<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kenswineguide.com\/wine.php?winery=512\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong><u>Kosta Browne KWG winery page<\/u><\/strong><\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">on our website. We hope you enjoy these terrific wines as much as we did. Cheers! \u2013 Ken<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On Wednesday, February 11, 2026, we interviewed Julien Howsepian. Julien is the winemaker at Kosta Browne Winery. We covered nine wines during our visit. We started with a 2023 vintage Chardonnay. Then we tried two AVA focused Pinot Noir from 2023 and followed that up with two single vineyard 2023 Pinot Noirs. 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